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scans_daily suspended
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For all members of scans_daily: the community has been suspended for posting copyrighted material without the permission of copyright holders, which is against LiveJournal's ToS. Before you ask:

1) At this time we don't know who made the complaint. But guys, we don't want this to turn into a witch hunt.

2) No, we don't have backups, but we're looking into recovering our entries. ETA: pandanoai made a backup early this month. You'll need this to view it. acroamatica has it mirrored here.

3) skalja set up a backup comm on insanejournal some time ago. If you're in dire need of scans, go here for now. ETA: A while ago, sir_razorback set up a message board for the comm here. comics_scans is another scan comm on eljay. Their rules and culture are a bit different from ours. If you join, be sure to read the userinfo before posting. stubbleupdate has set up noscans_daily. Please join, so we can keep our community together.

4) No, this will not be the end of us. Vive les scans!

5) ETA: Since people are asking about eljay's stance on fair use, from the TOS:

LiveJournal and its designates shall have the right, but not the obligation, to remove any content that violates the TOS or is otherwise objectionable, or that infringes or is alleged to infringe intellectual property rights. You agree that you must evaluate, and bear all risks associated with, the use of any content, including any reliance on the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of such content. Furthermore, LiveJournal reserves the right to limit access to your journal, if found in violation of the TOS, including without limitation the Member Conduct described below, by removing the journal and related user information from the member directory, search engine, and all other methods used in conjunction with finding LiveJournal's users.

and

[members agree not to] Upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, or other proprietary rights of any party



ETA: Guys, do me a favour and link to this post in your personal journals/blogs/whatever. I don't want people to get misinformation. I'm monitoring the comments and will be around to answer questions.

ETA: Update post here.



The mod team is looking at our options; check this space for updates.


Man, this sucks. I would never have started buying comics if it weren't for scans_daily; I would never have even cared about their existence. In fact, the comics I have bought are entirely ones I have previewed on that comm (my collection consists mainly of Alan Moore and Warren Ellis).

Still, hopefully the IJ version will have a decent life: I've just made a post there.

We have IJ's Scans_Daily up and running, and the latest post is a discussion of the rules for that comm. It'd be great if anyone would pass along the ToS for S_D there, or offer any suggestions on rules.

OT but I loved your crack_van recs and your icon makes me happy for some reason. Mind if I friend you?

Thanks for the update. I'm on board for wherever we end up.

I'm trying to get http://community.livejournal.com/noscans_daily/283.html off the ground.

We've already been blessed by a visit from Warren Ellis

Well, that X-Factor post was mine. I feel..like an asshole. Sorry guys ._.

Don't be silly; there's plenty of blame to go around - us the mods, the commenters in your post, PAD and Marvel legal for cutting off their noses to spite their face, LJ - but I don't see how any of it should land on you.

So it's just suspended pending investigation, right?

I'm kind of hoping this turns out to be a massive troll attack. Trolls can be dealt with.

Have you seen Gail's post on CBR where she says this,>>>" I propose a potential solution. I think, if S-D rebuilds, and I hope they do, I suggest that they make it part of the rules that if a creator or publisher objects to a particular post as being too spoiler-y, that the poster be given the choice to either modify or delete the offending posts. I would be very surprised if more than a tiny handful of creators took advantage of such a resource, but it would certainly show goodwill and I'm sure many skeptical creators would appreciate it. They might be brought more into the process. It's not Draconian, it's merely good faith cooperation. A creator might ask for a page to be removed. Surely that's better than having the site nuked over a single post?">>>>>>


I think this is a really good idea as well. I just wish PAD had made a formal post and asks us... We were pretty good at policing ourselves. The posters that acted out would have been corraled by those who were acting up. *sigh*

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(sobs uncontrollably)
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good god, of all the things to happen while I'm visiting RL friends for one night! O_o *guilt*

I woke up to find it was gone, so don't worry.

And it's not like anything bad happened last night, that was just when the decision was taken.

As it is, if you join noscans_daily, I'll make you a mod.

Throwing in my, "thanks to SD, I now know of and support the following comics" So, I will miss you terribly SD and much love for re/introducing me to Witchblade, Hercules, Thunderbolts and The Initiative. =(

I just wish I knew if it was coming back in some form and I should cling to hope, or if it never coming back so I should mourn and move on.

Here's What I Wrote On My Message Board

I'm sad because it means at least the temporary loss of a vibrant community.

We're never going to be able to control every website and every poster and we shouldn't even really be trying. If a particular set of scans is troublesome, I believe asking the SD mods would have solved the problem.

If we're GOING to have communities like this, and we are, how much better is it to have one like scans-daily, where both the mods and posters are aware of the concerns of creators and publishers and make a genuine effort to accommodate them? Where they not only established strict posting guidelines to prevent whole issues from being posted but also enforced them quite diligently?

The truth is, there are only a handful of comics websites that aren't run (and sometimes very heavily edited) by vested interests, like a publisher, where a sizable number of comics readers can go and share their enthusiasm about a title with a large enough audience to actually make a difference. There was a lot of dedication there, a lot of fascinating material. Yes, there was snark. Yes, some issues were panned. Who cares? The site was very heavily weighted towards books the posters really enjoyed, and served as a sample taste for many new readers. I myself have ended up buying several Marvel books in particular that I otherwise wouldn't have even stopped to look at.

I sympathize with any creators who felt their work was spoiled. I JUST this week had the ending of my latest issue of Wonder Woman spoiled. But I don't believe there was any malice. Quite the opposite, I believe that the poster intended only positive things and meant only to spread the word. I find that to be the motive there again and again. "Hey, I liked this book...take a look at this cool stuff in it!"

Do we really want to try to stop that instinct?

I propose a potential solution. I think, if S-D rebuilds, and I hope they do, I suggest that they make it part of the rules that if a creator or publisher objects to a particular post as being too spoiler-y, that the poster be given the choice to either modify or delete the offending posts. I would be very surprised if more than a tiny handful of creators took advantage of such a resource, but it would certainly show goodwill and I'm sure many skeptical creators would appreciate it. They might be brought more into the process. It's not Draconian, it's merely good faith cooperation. A creator might ask for a page to be removed. Surely that's better than having the site nuked over a single post?

I have spoken with some S-D mods and the thing that I felt is undeniable is that they DO respect the creators and sincerely believe that what they are doing isn't hurtful. That they self-imposed their own ethical guidelines and rigorously enforce them speaks volumes.

These people are not the enemy. They're the good guys, and the alternative is SO much worse. You think what S-D is bad?

Watch and see what pops up in its place.


I hope that S-D regroups and continues to promote good comics. They will have my support, such as it is, when they do so.

Re: Here's What I Wrote On My Message Board

Gail, I know I speak for everyone when I say thanks for your support.

I'm sure your aware of it but I've started a post on noscans_daily about what books scans_daily has gotten us to buy. I think its a good demonstration of the good the community has done.